Monday, December 01, 2008

Now can we call it a recession?

Now that we have the "official" blessing from the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), I guess we can actually start using the word recession, right?

Bloomberg, "Recession started in December 2007, NBER says":

"The U.S. economy entered a recession a year ago this month, the panel that dates American business expansions said today.

The declaration was made by the cycle-dating committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research, a private, nonprofit group of economists based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The last time the U.S. was in a recession was from March through November 2001, according to NBER.

“The committee determined that the decline in economic activity in 2008 met the standard for a recession,” the group said in a statement on its Web site. The 1.2 million drop in payroll employment so far this year was the biggest factor in determining that start of the contraction, the group said.

Federal Reserve policy makers at their last meeting predicted the economy will contract through the middle of 2009, in line with private economists’ forecasts. If correct, the recession would be the longest since the Great Depression."

Thanks for telling us, guys. We honestly had no idea...

Despite early warnings from many private economists and noted market participants, it seems some people were hoping reality would continue to be ignored, if we could only keep from uttering the dreaded "r-word" in public.

Oh, and you might want to take the NBER's official durations of previous recessions with a grain of salt, as well.

For example: the early 1990s recession. I was in junior high at the time, and not really much of an economic observer, but I seem to remember the economic downturn as lasting well beyond the NBER's July 1990-March 1991 timeframe.

Here's a little trip down memory lane to the early '90s:

US job losses were affecting much of the white collar and blue collar workforce, many American households were facing financial problems, the rise of Nirvana and the "Seattle sound"/grunge coincided with the country's dark mood and its youth culture's angst from 1991-1993, SNL was still lampooning George Bush and the recession well into the latter part of his presidential term, and Ross Perot made the nation's economic problems the focus of his independent presidential campaign in 1992.

This time around (2007-2008), we had frequent denials and pooh-poohing of the dreaded "recession" label by many of the country's officials and the media's talking heads and high priests of spin. We can probably expect another spike in recession-related articles and media stories, now that the economic reality of the past twelve months has been officially recognized.

So, I guess this leaves us with one question. Where are you getting your information from on topics such as these?

Do you trust the tv and cable news to tell you that the sun is shining or that the clouds are covering the sky? Internet, blogs, newspapers? A mixture of some or all of these media sources? Maybe you trust your native common sense, and take these proclamations and news stories for what they are worth (not much, if anything).

At any rate, especially during times like this, I find it interesting to know what people are really thinking, and where they choose to get their information from. Tell us what you know, share your thoughts with us here.

Related articles and posts:

1. "US faces recession, Bernanke's stimulus" - Finance Trends.

2. "Congratulations, it's officially a recession" - Big Picture.

3. "Recession began a year ago, economists say" - MarketWatch.

4. "Recession in real terms" - Finance Trends.

5. "Marc Faber on Bloomberg TV" - Finance Trends.

6. "Roubini: US in recession" - Finance Trends.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

I just read this: Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said he has “obviously limited” room to lower interest rates further and may use less conventional policies, such as buying Treasury securities, to revive the economy.
My comment: Here we go! This is what inflation means!!!!!

bmbull said...

So THAT'S who's been buying up all the Treasuries lately!!

David said...

Hmm, the Fed considers buying Treasury securities? That might explain the recent run up in bonds as charted on BMB's site today....

Was just listening to the FSN broadcast over the weekend, and they were discussing the likelihood of the Fed buying and monetizing the upcoming flood of US Treasury debt.

Here's the program link (MP3 audio) for those who'd like to check it out.

Jason said...

According to Keynes, the root cause of an economic downturns is an insufficient aggregate demand. When the total demand for goods and services declines, businesses throughout the economy see their sales fall off. Lower sales induce firms to cut back production and to lay off workers. Rising unemployment and declining profits further depress demand, leading to a feedback loop with a very unhappy ending.

http://nomedals.blogspot.com

David said...

I'd be interested to know if anyone who's reading this blog is also keeping up with the media's commentary on the economy and various unending bailouts/stimulus packages.

What do you hear on the TV and various cable news channels?

Has the recent coverage of economic events made you more confident about the economy or less so?

Does the economic reporting from your media outlets of choice now square with what you see?

Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!

bmbull said...

That would imply that Keynes didn't consider an explosion in debt and credit as the 'cause' of an economic upturn.

As far as the stimulus talk, I try to ignore it. But it's hard. No doubt there will be some sort of stimulus package - and it will be huge. More money that the gov't doesn't have...

David said...

BMB,

Thanks for your thoughts. I know you see the market channels/CNBC more than I do during a typical day.

I wonder how many people are turning away from their TVs given all the noise and cheerleading, support coming from many of the cable news channels.

In recent months I've heard and read a lot of comments from people along the lines of, "I got rid of my tv/cable" and "CNBC is now on mute thoughout most of the day...".

bmbull said...

In my case, it isn't just 'now'. CNBC has been on mute for years already.

I used to tell the neighbor couple, when they told me what they heard on CNBC, "Don't listen to those people. You watch, when things turn ugly, they'll NEVER tell you to sell." I'm not sure they believed me at the time.

The neighbors now understand what I meant.

David said...

"The neighbors now understand what I meant."

Yeah, I would imagine so! I'm just waiting for the latest installment of this SNL sketch...